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Buffy #6 review

February 9th, 2012 (07:10 pm)

In a nutshell:
Very good issue. Really inspired art, especially in the last scene. All the emotional nuances are written on the characters' faces.
Great dialogue. "We don't all have spaceships!" - hysterical!
Interesting, controversial content. I don't want to assess the story before reading it whole - but, so far, it's fascinating.

Buffy confides in Dawn about her pregnancy and makes the list of potential fathers: "It's a little hazy, but Riley, who's married. Andrew, whose name I'm not sure why I'm saying. Root, who doesn't shower. Tumble, who showers infrequently. The shut-in neighbor, whose name I can't remember. And then there's Spike." Dawn: "Is a vamp baby daddy even possible." Buffy: "Normally, I'd say no... but since I destroyed the seed, the vampire rule book is being rewritten." Xander isn't mentioned - but, apparently, Buffy can't bring herself to tell Dawn "Your boyfriend is on the list too".

Buffy goes to Robin Wood, he tells her about his childhood. Interesting detail: according to him, Nikki couldn't quit slaying. "She was chosen, Buffy. Just like you. No matter where she went, no matter how much she wanted to be with me. She wasn't strong enough to ignore it. She had to be a slayer." It's vague, of course. stormwreath thinks that it was the sense of duty that forced Nikki to return to slaying. To me it's something more primal. Rooted in a personality, or even in physiology - most likely, magicaly enhanced. We'll see if this idea will be developed or not - but The First Slayer's words "You're not a slayer" in #5 may acquire an additional meaning.

Meanwhile Spike and Dowling talk about Buffy during a patrol and we are literally hammered on the head "YES! SPIKE LOVES HER!" It's scary, because Joss never gives shippers such good stuff unless he plans to do something utterly devastating. Dowling urges Spike to tell Buffy about his feelings, and Spike is ready to talk to Buffy, but...

Buffy tells him she's about to have an abortion. Spike, who is crouching behind her, is so shocked that he falls, literally, on his ass. (Interestingly, he has a reflection in the water on these panels. And he can't smell Buffy's pregnancy while in the beginning of the issue a vampire can smell Nikki's pregnancy. I wonder if it's a deliberate clue that something is happening to Spike.) [ETA: Spike's reflection wasn't mentioned in the script. Bummer.]

Buffy: Robin told me how Nikki tried to run away from slaying after he was born. I thought I could do what she couldn't. I thought I had everything that Nikki didn't. Dawn, Xander, Willow. You... I was ready to ask you to run away with me. But then I realized... I'm barely able to hold onto a job. I live with roommates who are about to kick me out. And I can't even hold my alcohol well enough to remember who got me pregnant. I can handle the slayer stuff. I can do what Nikki couldn't. But everything else? I'm not ready. At least not now. It's not the slaying. It's me. Will you come with me when I do this?

Close-up of Buffy crying. Close-up of Spike with tears brimming in his eyes.

Spike: Yeah. (he helps her to stand up).
To be continued...

It's the first time that Buffy made it into the mainstream media since Buffy's romance with Satsu.ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY interview with Joss Whedon and Andrew Chambliss has interesting tidbits.

Joss:

--I don’t think Buffy should have a baby. I don’t think Buffy can take care of a baby. I agree with Buffy. It’s a very difficult decision for her, but she made a decision that so many people make

Do you know who the father is?
--I know everything about it, but will tell you nothing. Except, like I said, it’s going to end up being a storyline that is rooted in the Buffyverse. I’m not going to turn comic book into something other than what it is. The whole thing isn’t going to be, well, normal. There’s not going to be a lot of normal going on, but hopefully there’s a certain amount of relatable. We’re going to pursue what this storyline means, but not in a way people are going to expect.

--Her behavior at that party has already bothered some fans, and to learn she got pregnant there, and doesn’t know by whom, will bother some fans even more, especially those who want Buffy to be, well, more responsible.
I think that first of all that they should wait until they have all the facts and they’ll learn stuff that they didn’t know before. They should find out what happened before they completely judge her.


Chambliss:

--I think in issue 6, that’s kind of what it’s all about — Spike coming to the realization that he still harbors feelings for Buffy, but then realizing in order to be the person he wants to be for Buffy, he can’t even tell her that. That’s definitely been fun to play around with, with his feelings for her. Unrequited love is always more fun than requited love.

So, Spike's chances of being a father are highter than a month ago. Joss says that we don't know stuff that will make us judge Buffy less harshly. Of course, if it's Spike, then it's no wonder that he didn't use condom (and if it's Xander - we have to judge Buffy harsher). Chambliss' words, too, becomer very clear: Spike doesn't want to hurt Buffy, so he doesn't tell her that it's his baby, because he doesn't want to make abortion harder for her. Let her think it was nameless neighbor.

I don't say that it's Spike - but, for the first time, I started to ponder seriously on that possibility. And I think that if it's really Spike's baby, then it won't survive -- because Joss has to keep his damn shipper status quo.

Comments

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 04:25 pm (UTC)

Hey MW! The Poet's Heart (Terry) here! Excellent review! Like you im thrilled there could be a possibility that its Spikes baby! But sad about Buffy's decision. I think some good plot could have come from giving the baby up for adoption - maybe even having Dawn &Xander raise the baby as their own. The adoption option could have tied in w/ Fray's future line - her sister looking so much like Buffy and her choice of careers mimicking Buffys career aptitude test of law enforement! Get to it fanfic'ers!

Im also thrilled w/Spikes decision to both tell Buffy he loves her and his decision to help her w/the abortion - no questions asked. That's my Spike. If he knows its his baby and he is still helping her out then he shows her once more how much he loves her bybgiving her "normal". I just hate that it would be at the expense of our Spuffy Baby.

And if its Xanders... woe be to Joss when he tells the Bander fans...

Posted by: Immortal Beloved (beloved_77)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 05:37 pm (UTC)

That's my Spike.

Don't you just love him? :-)

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 05:59 pm (UTC)

Hey, Terry - I'm glad you like my review.

I hope that something will happen that will make Buffy reconsider abortion. I vaguely remember one of the writers saying that the party in the first issue will have major consequences for the rest of the season. If the baby storyline ends here, I can't imagine what other consequences could be.

Posted by: mad_brilliant_ (mad_brilliant_)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 09:32 am (UTC)
Spike - Surrender by awmp

Yes, Jeanty said that.

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Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 15th, 2012 10:21 am (UTC)
Buffy

My list of probabilities:

Heinrich the neighbor - 40%
Fairy eggs in Buffy's ear canal - 30%
Spike - 20%
Xander - 10%

Posted by: Immortal Beloved (beloved_77)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 05:34 pm (UTC)

he has a reflection in the water on these panels

Ooo, good observation. I didn't notice that. Sometimes, on the show, you would catch a glimpse of a reflection in a mirror or a window, but you can chalk that up to it not being easy to get rid of them. But this is a comic book, which is drawn. The reflections would have to be there purposefully.

Joss has to keep his damn shipper status quo

Yes, god (i.e. Joss) forbid anybody's relationship should have any high points. :rolls eyes:

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 06:01 pm (UTC)

The reflections would have to be there purposefully.

And - the ball in the water. A symbol of childhood. Buffy, Spike and ball have the same type of reflection.

(Or maybe I think too much :))))

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 08:26 pm (UTC)

Why a ball is a symbol of childhood?

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 08:48 pm (UTC)

It just feels that way to me. I can't explain it rationally. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the visuals, I don't know.

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 09:57 pm (UTC)

Yeah, just read Jeanty's reply in BFs, that was his bad.


@KabaLounge May I ask a question about Buffy#6? Was Spike's reflection in the water on the last page mentioned in the script?

@MoscowWatcher spikes reflection or assumtion of such was totally my bad. I was gettin' all artsy when I should have been paying attention.


Is there someone actually editing the comics in DH? Maybe there is a job position opened?

Posted by: Immortal Beloved (beloved_77)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 01:33 am (UTC)

Is there someone actually editing the comics in DH?

Ha! Excellent question. Will all the inconsistencies and mistakes, I don't think anybody is dotting I's and crossing T's over there. :-P

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 10:05 am (UTC)

Yes, I saw it. Bye-bye, my dreams of manpire!Spike. I started seriously pondering on the possibility of Joss following the Parliament of Monsters route (Spike is half-man, half-vampire)...

Posted by: diebirchen & over 18 (diebirchen)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 06:18 pm (UTC)

The neighbor is Heinrich, as in "Nest"! Reeeeeally unusual name, guys. Doesn't anypone else see this as odd?

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 07:00 pm (UTC)

I don't think that he is the resurrected Master. Heinrich lives in isolation and I wonder if he's from the future and has to hide to avoid disturbing the timeline.

(I think that "Fray" and time-travel stories aren't over yet).

Posted by: shakatany (shakatany)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
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The odd thing is that Robin doesn't know who his father is and Buffy doesn't know who the father of her baby is which really makes me wonder if the recluse could possibly be the father of both babies. OTOH then if this Heinrich is Nest he couldn't be the father of Nikki's son as he was imprisoned in Sunnydale at the time.

Shakatany

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 12:01 pm (UTC)

Heinrich the Slayer Impregnater! :)

The question is who is he. Why is he hiding. Why has Buffy forgotten her visit to him? She remembers (albeit vaguely) her interactions with Riley and Xander. Could he do something to make her forget? Yes, I remember that spells don't exist anymore, but he could have that mojo Men In Black use.

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 12th, 2012 12:21 pm (UTC)
love-bed

I believe that Heinrich will be the gay guy that will be introduced in Espenson's story. They leave it vague like that so we think that he is the one that impregnated Buffy, when basically he won't. And those flowers were probably his way of saying "thank you" to her because she introduced him to Andrew.

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 09:20 pm (UTC)

Nikki taking a 4 years old with her while patrolling? Was she serious? Spike was so right that Nikki didn't love Robin enough to quit..

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 10:17 pm (UTC)

I try to interpret it as Nikki telling her son that she took him to patrol while in reality they were just walking somewhere. I don't know, the whole idea doesn't sit well with me.

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 10:33 pm (UTC)

I don't think so, In LMPTM Nikki congratulates Robin for doing exactly what she has told him to do, meaning hide and wait for her to finish fighting. And now it's even more clear that she sometimes took him with her. If he was lucky. She was spending most of her time serving her call neglecting her child that's the reason why Rovin was closer to Crowley instead of her.

And Robin knew about demons and vampires when other children believed in the tooth fairy. He must have seen her fighting monsters more that just once, more than just in LMPTM flashback.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 10:12 am (UTC)

Yes, you're right.

I just can't understand why Nikki's maternal instincts didn't overcome her slayer instincts. In real life, maternal insticts overcome everything else. I realise that she was brainwashed by The Council, but... why Buffy doesn't ask Wood why Nikki couldn't stop slaying? Is she afraid to hurt his feelings?

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 01:44 pm (UTC)

Because for Nikki the mission is more important than anything. She says that over and over again. Her calling has a bigger impact on her than her maternal instincts.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 12:15 pm (UTC)

OK, I guess I have to accept that The Council has brainwashed her very thoroughly.

Posted by: hann23 (hann23)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 10:31 pm (UTC)


"So, Spike's chances of being a father are highter than a month ago. Joss says that we don't know stuff that will make us judge Buffy less harshly. Of course, if it's Spike, then it's no wonder that he didn't use condom (and if it's Xander - we have to judge Buffy harsher). Chambliss' words, too, becomer very clear: Spike doesn't want to hurt Buffy, so he doesn't tell her that it's his baby, because he doesn't want to make abortion harder for her. Let her think it was nameless neighbor.

I don't say that it's Spike - but, for the first time, I started to ponder seriously on that possibility. And I think that if it's really Spike's baby, then it won't survive -- because Joss has to keep his damn shipper status quo."


This, I think that you really pegged, if Spike is the father. I really did not think Whedon would allow that kind of connection between Buffy and Spike. After reading your review, I can see him doing it. Whedon could explore the Buffy-Spike-baby connection by tearing it apart.

It was a great review. Thanks and thanks for all your fan fiction posts. I can't wait to see what the authors pull together after this comic.



Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 10:21 am (UTC)

*waves*

Welcome, honey! I'm glad you like my posts.

I can't wait to see what the authors pull together after this comic.

Yes, I'm very curious too. On one hand, the situation is very fic-worthy; OTOH, getting what you want may kill the desire. I don't remember a single Bangel post-space-frak fic.

But we'll see. Fanfiction is one of the ways to channel our frustrations with canon, and I'm sure that Joss will make us frustrated. A lot. :)

Posted by: lyly_ford (lyly_ford)
Posted at: February 9th, 2012 11:13 pm (UTC)

preview of issue7 god it kills me, i hope she'll keep the bb :(
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/421955_10150640946071311_239063031310_11558446_1412214199_n.jpg

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 10:36 am (UTC)

Interestingly, Joss also said in his interview:

And obviously there will be complications to the whole storyline that could only happen in the Buffyverse. But it’s not about what happens, it’s about that moment of decision, and just articulating what so many people are not saying, but so many are thinking.

I took it as a (very slight) possibility of Buffy reconsidering.

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC)

Joss in his interview says that he believes that Buffy shouldn't keep the baby. He believes that Buffy should have the abortion. That's just his opinion on the story, as if as he was a reader, not the writer. What he believes and his opinion though doesn't count. Joss doesn't say what Buffy will do, he just gives his point of view on the story.

What tells me actually is that Buffy will decide to keep the baby, the interview isn't foreshadowing or telling us what will happen, he just says his opinion like everyone has the last days.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 12:04 pm (UTC)

Yes, I, too, have the impression that he just wanted to add oil to the flames.

Posted by: leyki (enzialla)
Posted at: February 12th, 2012 12:25 pm (UTC)
love is in the air....

Plus we have Spike babysitting the baby bugs in the webcomic, it's there for something, Scott has changed his avatar in tweeter and he has the pregnant Buffy touching her belly, Buffy looks pregnant in #9 (the one that has waitress Buffy Vs rich Buffy) and a couple of things more that I don't recall right now that ensure me that Buffy will keep the baby. Not sure though that I want that or not, it all depends on how they'll tell the story and what they have in mind.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 12th, 2012 03:37 pm (UTC)

Scott has changed his avatar

Heh. Didn't know about it, thanks for the heads-up.

Not sure though that I want that or not, it all depends on how they'll tell the story and what they have in mind.

IF Joss plans to keep the baby, it will be most likely connected with restoring of magic. We'll see.

Posted by: treadingthedark (treadingthedark)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 07:53 am (UTC)

Thanks for the review. The art really was fab this issue.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 10:24 am (UTC)
Duster_by_awmp

Thank you, hon. Yes, the art is gorgeous, continuity gaffes notwithstanding.

Posted by: mad_brilliant_ (mad_brilliant_)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 09:38 am (UTC)
Spuffy - The first kiss by airbear

Spike doesn't want to hurt Buffy, so he doesn't tell her that it's his baby, because he doesn't want to make abortion harder for her. Let her think it was nameless neighbor.

I think he doesn't tell her he's the father because he assumes he's not. Sure, he remembers having sex with her at the party, and now he's probably devastated to learn she's pregnant because that means (to him) she was also having sex with someone else.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 10:29 am (UTC)

Agree. Your scenario is the most plausible in the current situation.

Posted by: embers_log (embers_log)
Posted at: February 10th, 2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
c Spike NOT Twilight

I don't think Spike (or Xander or Riley) would screw with a drunken/unconscious Buffy!
But I DO think that something devastating is coming for Spuffy... because Joss already made the Bangel fans miserable, we have to expect the same! LOL

I thought that Nikki's pregnancy happened when abortion was still illegal (so it wasn't a good option for her)? And once you are chosen (and have the dreams et al) it would be pretty hard to ignore being a slayer. Personally I felt that she had commitments to both her son and her destiny and she did her best to balance both... Not that she didn't fail, but I felt that she did her best.

But Buffy's dreams are telling her she is NOT a slayer, so what does that mean!?!

I hope that Joss doesn't find an alternative to abortion, many women face that choice and make it... and live with it. I see no reason for Buffy to get an easy out. Of course I don't really care about offending the religious right either.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 11:45 am (UTC)

I don't think Spike (or Xander or Riley) would screw with a drunken/unconscious Buffy!

Apparently she wasn't unconscious. She looked cheerful and tipsy. She openly flirted with Spike when he just arrived to her party. He could succumb to temptation.

But I DO think that something devastating is coming for Spuffy... because Joss already made the Bangel fans miserable, we have to expect the same! LOL

Exactly. I assumed crash position since I saw the cover three months ago. In current situation it's too easy for Buffy and Spike to have a (more or less) normal family life. He has a ship, they could fly anywhere they want, they could bring up the baby on the ship, away from dangers. Joss can't allow Buffy be happy!

But Buffy's dreams are telling her she is NOT a slayer, so what does that mean!?!

I took it as a sign that eventually she will keep her baby. But I may be wrong.

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Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 11:55 am (UTC)

Xander-as-a-father would be a very painful twist. That's why I think that Joss is able to do it. Although it's hard to imagine Xander having unprotected sex with his girlfriend's sister. It would paint him in a very unsympathetic light. I hope it's not him... but Joss definitely could do it to torture them all.

Re: Buffy being impregnated by a demon. Allie said that the party will have consequences that will span along the whole season. So, unless he was misleading us, I think it happened at the party.

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Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 12:34 pm (UTC)

I have the impression that in #1 Joss has introduced all the elements of the puzzle and will play within the already-established parameters. Ergo, if there was a demon at the party, we'd get a clue about it.

OTOH, the fairy was there (judging by Spike's line about "giant mosquito"), so, theoretically, she could lay her fairy eggs into Buffy's ear canal...

Posted by: Miss Kitty (misskittydu34)
Posted at: February 11th, 2012 11:03 pm (UTC)

I like your thoughts on the issue :)

Spike, who is crouching behind her, is so shocked that he falls, literally, on his ass.

I really, really love that moment. I would give anything for seeing James & Sarah playing that scene...

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: February 12th, 2012 03:32 pm (UTC)

I would give anything for seeing James & Sarah playing that scene...

I think James would agree to do it at some convention. But Sarah doesn't do conventions... :(

I agree, the moment is awesome. Spike's reaction is bittersweet, and I love that he agrees to help her without trying to talk her out of it. Apparently he understands that it will only make it worse for her.

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